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I think you make some good points but you kinda overplay your hand in a number of places -- and while I ultimately tend to agree with you it's for the opposite reason.

1) Good point about surgeons being regulated by licenscing boards etc...but the fact that surgeons use anaesthetics or implant devices approved by the FDA is kinda besides the point (lots of variation in surgical technique besides the drugs and devices). So kinda weird to make it the title.

2) Is it really true that the effects of drugs are harder to measure of do we just hold them to a higher standard?

I mean, given that surgery is regulated as you describe if it is so much easier to determine its efficacy then how can it be that often it doesn't work that well?

More specifically, most drugs actually also so something pretty clear cut (put you to sleep, reduce cholesterol, kill bacteria, inhibit virus replication, reduce pain etc). They all do something clear cut if you include descriptions like: inhibit the blah protein or bind to the blah receptor.

Most of the expense and difficulty getting most drugs approved isn't in showing some efficicacy against **some** endpoint but showing that the drug isn't too harmful and is net beneficial (not phrased this way but that's essentially what's behind debates about using intermediate endpoints like cholesterol rather than reduction in heart attacks). There are plenty of surgeries that we've found out would fail those standards.

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Ultimately, while I believe the FDA imposes far too high a barrier on approving new medications (just require it to what it claims to do at the rate and side effects claimed not that it improve on existing meds) I think it's justifed for medications but not surgery exactly because it is soo much harder to figure out what surgeries are worthwhile.

There are just too many variables and the initial attempts are often failures. Transplants were death sentences ... until they weren't. Drugs are a single item that can be evaluated in it's complete form before approval. Surgery would never develop vital new techniques if it had to pass some general test of side effects vs benefits to be approved because surgeons would never learn until approval and absent training the method would languish.

Luckily, you are correct that the risks with surgery are lower. People are much less likely to undergo surgery, particularly a novel one, unless they have no other option. They might decide to take thalidomide just because they feel a bit nauseous.

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